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Comments on: Plagiarism nightmares http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/11/20/plagiarism-nightmares/ "A man needn't go far to find a subject, if he's ready with his salt-box."--Uncle Pumblechook Wed, 14 May 2014 19:32:14 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.1 By: Mama Anarchia http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/11/20/plagiarism-nightmares/comment-page-1/#comment-20364 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:33:59 +0000 http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/11/20/plagiarism-nightmares/#comment-20364 I agree, Knitting Clio. While I am vehemently anti-plagiarism, expulsion for one offense is extreme, especially if there’s even a possibility of the committee accusing the wrong person.
But what bothers me significantly more is the professor’s own admission that he did not compare the final papers to other examples of the students’ writing! If I were a professor, that would be the very first thing I would do when handed identical papers by more than one student. (Unless a google search revealed they were both/all cheating.)
To not compare the papers with other examples of their writing was an oversight of massive proportions, and I am astonished to know that neither the professor nor the committee thought of doing so.

By: Knitting Clio http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/11/20/plagiarism-nightmares/comment-page-1/#comment-20347 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:18:19 +0000 http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/11/20/plagiarism-nightmares/#comment-20347 The article in today’s Courant is very disconcerting. Doesn’t the judicial officer keep records of the hearings? It seems to me that expulsion for one incidence of cheating is harsh. In contrast, I’ve heard that a student found guilty of date rape was only suspended for a year and is now back on campus. How fair is that?

By: jbj http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/11/20/plagiarism-nightmares/comment-page-1/#comment-20346 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:10:00 +0000 http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/11/20/plagiarism-nightmares/#comment-20346 I largely agree with Mama Anarchia that prior GPA isn’t a reliable indicator.

And Knitting Clio is also correct about meeting students during exam time. The other option is to use Blackboard/Vista, Moodle, or Turnitin.com as a dropbox to receive papers. (Can also use e-mail, but that’s increasingly unreliable thanks to the ^&*#%%Q spammers.)

By: Knitting Clio http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/11/20/plagiarism-nightmares/comment-page-1/#comment-20336 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:19:33 +0000 http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/11/20/plagiarism-nightmares/#comment-20336 Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t the Provost tell us to hold a class meeting the day of the final, even if we have a take-home assignment? That certainly would solve the security issue — students have to give the paper in person and you know right away who didn’t do it.

By: Mama Anarchia http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/11/20/plagiarism-nightmares/comment-page-1/#comment-20219 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:54:57 +0000 http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/11/20/plagiarism-nightmares/#comment-20219 Sorry, but I gotta play devil’s advocate.

Just because someone is an “A” student does not mean that they are a moral, non-cheating student. For all we know (and we don’t, which is my point here), the “A” student had cheated before in order to maintain her GPA status.
Likewise, just because someone is a “C” student does not mean that they are willing to cheat in order to get a higher grade. A person can be a sub-par student without being amoral. I think that looking at their transcripts can only bias the viewing audience. Former grades should have no impact on deciding which student cheated.
And this is coming, thanks very much, from an “A” student.

By: Tom http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/11/20/plagiarism-nightmares/comment-page-1/#comment-20208 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:39:19 +0000 http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/11/20/plagiarism-nightmares/#comment-20208 Reading the article, a couple of thoughts occurred to me:

The original author is typically in the Word document properties and I can determine quickly if student A generated the document or student B, regardless of the date stamp.

I’ve never seen an “A” student copying the work of a “C” student.

I spent 45 minutes explaining how I knew one student copied from another student’s exam. They were transcription errors that I picked up instantly, but were difficult to explain. Things like an equation copied with a 6 instead of a ( .

By: jbj http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/11/20/plagiarism-nightmares/comment-page-1/#comment-20165 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:55:30 +0000 http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/11/20/plagiarism-nightmares/#comment-20165 In general, I don’t think mailboxes are a good place to accept student work. But most full-time faculty have an office, with a door that locks. Better to have students slide things under the door, than use the mailbox, I think.

The past performance bit is a good one, too.

By: Knitting Clio http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/11/20/plagiarism-nightmares/comment-page-1/#comment-20152 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:43:40 +0000 http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/11/20/plagiarism-nightmares/#comment-20152 I’m in the same department as this professor. His mailbox is no more or less secure than mine. So, I guess we all need secure places! Also, past performance does not rule out the possibility of cheating.