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Comments on: Maybe Christina Hoff Sommers was a little right http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/01/13/maybe-christina-hoff-sommers-was-a-little-right/ "A man needn't go far to find a subject, if he's ready with his salt-box."--Uncle Pumblechook Wed, 14 May 2014 19:32:14 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.4 By: jbj http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/01/13/maybe-christina-hoff-sommers-was-a-little-right/comment-page-1/#comment-6250 Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:39:09 +0000 http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/01/13/maybe-christina-hoff-sommers-was-a-little-right/#comment-6250 Right: Every time I hear her argument in full, it drives me crazy, and I think that she’s missing some important perspective.

But there are these little points that crop up again and again–I do think that, on the ground, a nontrivial # of teachers and parents confuse boisterousness with aggression/acting out/something else. (Or, to put it a slightly different way, the laudable goal of preventing violence, bullying, etc. can, at the margins, tip into something else.)

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By: Heather http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/01/13/maybe-christina-hoff-sommers-was-a-little-right/comment-page-1/#comment-6173 Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:14:05 +0000 http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/01/13/maybe-christina-hoff-sommers-was-a-little-right/#comment-6173 Sommers gave a talk at CCSU a few years ago. I was especially annoyed by her claim that attempts to reign in “natural” male instincts through various programs to prevent violence, bullying, and sexual harrassment are turning boys into sissies. This was before Columbine, though, so maybe she’s changed her tune.

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By: Alex http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/01/13/maybe-christina-hoff-sommers-was-a-little-right/comment-page-1/#comment-6032 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:46:29 +0000 http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/01/13/maybe-christina-hoff-sommers-was-a-little-right/#comment-6032 SWEET GOD VADER IS RIGHT BEHIND-

I mean, yeah, If you ended each post with an obscure Star wars reference, I’d pretty much be forced into commenting.

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By: jbj http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/01/13/maybe-christina-hoff-sommers-was-a-little-right/comment-page-1/#comment-6027 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:28:05 +0000 http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/01/13/maybe-christina-hoff-sommers-was-a-little-right/#comment-6027 @Alex-the-Churchmouse: I thought the Star Wars angle would call you out . . . . (And you should’ve saved the link in del.icio.us!)

@Rachel: Thanks for this supplement–I certainly didn’t want to imply that the piece’s treatment of girls is ideology-free. Then again, girls *are* made of sugar and spice and everything nice, so they’re probably immune to social conditioning.

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By: rachel http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/01/13/maybe-christina-hoff-sommers-was-a-little-right/comment-page-1/#comment-6019 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:19:07 +0000 http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/01/13/maybe-christina-hoff-sommers-was-a-little-right/#comment-6019 This is really special. I like how the content of the piece is the conditioning enacted on the viewing child,but girls are apparently subject to less conditioning because of the movies they “chose’ to watch. And yet the piece can’t go so far as to suggest that girl have already been conditioned (by things like the terribly gendered toys advertised in Parents magazine) to manifest antisocial behavior in less physical ways than boys (I assume this anyway based on my encounters with Parents magazine).

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By: Alex http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/01/13/maybe-christina-hoff-sommers-was-a-little-right/comment-page-1/#comment-6018 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:06:10 +0000 http://www.jbj.wordherders.net/2008/01/13/maybe-christina-hoff-sommers-was-a-little-right/#comment-6018 Now I wish I had saved the link for this, but alas; There was a study done regarding “The Sims” (Quick note, has academia decided on a grammatically correct way to refer to a game, I.E. Quotes, underline, Italics? I Digress.) and this study had young prepubescent boys and girls play the game for a certain amount of time, and then measure what the kids did in the games. Surprisingly, boys seemed most interesting in indulging the fantasy of the world; they attempted to make a stable house, with moderately happy inhabitants. Once their needs where met, they attempted to build on their success- find mates for their characters, advance their houses, etc. The Girls, on the other hand, where G* damned horrifying; they used it as a sort of torture chamber, setting up various scenario’s that would force their sims to respond in disgusting or otherwise immoral acts. For instance, build a pool, then delete all the ladders, making them drown. take out all the bathrooms in the house, all the doors, and all the windows. Have them keep making babies, but not be able to feed it. It was like a thousand Little Ms. Hitler’s playing with dollhouses.

Also, I give a very visceral response when someone takes an anti-star wars stance. The feeling is not unlike when I have to ‘debate’ certain topics (creationism, Copyright law, education..). The fact that I have made these subjects fairly equal in my head is either great or…. sad.

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